Church #26 (Part 2) Grace Pentecostal Church. Aug 3rd 2014.

I would like to start out with extending a warm hug and thank you to John (whose name has been chanced for safety reasons.) For stepping forward to give his story on his experience with “Oneness Pentecostals”. I would just like to say that John is a fantastic guy who is tall and handsome and can often be seen riding around on a white horse. So if you see him, you know who I’m talking about!

Looking good John!

Hahahahahahaha!

*Jokes.

But in all seriousness, this interview was intense and I sorted my information under the fallowing questions. Here we go.

When did he join the church?

He was 20 when he joined and 30 when he left. He is now 31.

Why did he join the church?

He was a really messed up kid with a lot of addiction problems (that started young) amongst other things. He had recently met a girl who had come from a similar situation, and also wanted to get away from her self-harming ways. So they both decided that they would go church shopping together. At first they did not like what they were seeing. A lot of inconsistencies with churches fallowing certain doctrine and not others. A lot of them had no proper resources for helping them clean up from addiction.  Also the typical singing and clapping hands “praise the lord” church was very unattractive to John’s mind of a 20 year old guy.  (as apparently its not to a lot of guys in their 20’s).

Apparently there is entire books written on the topic. 

They chose the church they did because they were very deep into their bible readings and were very hard and consistent on the “facts”.  The harsh war general type speech style of teaching appealed to John’s “manly side”. And it defiantly drew a clear line in the sand when it came to his bad habit and addictions.  Cleaned him up real good.  He even recalls seeing miracles in the church, in relation to healing, and he considers himself staying sober a miracle in itself.

Why was he picked to being trained for future leadership?

Basically he was the right man for the job. The young people he was ministering to fallowed him, he showed a strong commitment to the church and showed enthusiasm in his work.

In an earlier e-mail John had mentioned to me that he faced more pressure and restriction then the other church members because of his position. I asked him how the restrictions on him were different than the ones on an average church member.

John explained to me that the restriction were the same, just he had to deal with them to a stronger degree. He recalled a time when he came to work ( aka. the church) and he shirt was not pressed properly and he would get hauled into the office and yelled at. He was required at all times to be a “perfect” example to young people he was ministering to. He also had to put in an intense time commitment. He and his wife worked 6 days a week for the church and had only 1 day off to themselves.

Then I asked him what happened him that caused him to question the church and eventually leave?

He recalled a verity of events and reasons. For one thing they could not get way, no vacation time; it was alike asking for the world to get 2 days off to go see family for a holiday. He stared seeing inconsistencies in the church doctrine. The leadership was acting hypocritically. They band their congregation from watching TV or movies, but will go home and break out the video camera and make home movies of their kids. When John decided to call them out on all this, the response he got completely dismissed and refused acknowledge to his concerns. He pretty much got told not to question authority and get back to work.

His Wife was feeling it too. She worked the day-care with the pastor’s wife who had all the dirt on the personal issues of all the church members.  But instead of keeping it to herself, this lady decided to gossip it around town. And the person who heard the most of it was John’s wife (who wanted no part in any of it.) It became a great distress in her life.

Speaking of his wife. A little background info on her. Her and John met when they both started looking for a church. They found the one they chose, and life got interesting when the congregation found out that they were living together already. As the time in the church progressed they feel into their social environment and were married 11months after meeting each other. But unlike most couples, they didn’t really have a relationship with each other. They had a relationship with the church. They committed themselves to it 6 days a week and had little time to actually develop a deeper understanding of each other. They did this for 10 years. I was afraid to ask about there current status considering John was clearly not wearing any rings on his left hand. But in the end of it all they felt drained and beat-up ( I can relate to this feeling after just one church service). They simply had nothing left to give.

In earlier e-mails I had also mentioned that I had pretty much escaped that day “unscathed” but he mentioned that he was not so lucky and is still suffering the effects of that church. I was not sure if he would be willing to share but he did and I am thankful for it.

He tells me at the point that he had left he assumed that life would simply move on and he would get a new job and everything would be just peachy. If only that were true. He was hit with feeling of severe depression and horrific feelings of self hatred that enveloped him to the fullest. Strangely enough these feeling were immediately relieved by him moving out of his house way from his wife. One of the craziest things that is blowing my mind about all this the “time warping affect” that this guy seems to have experienced. And sadly no, it’s not this kind of time warp.

He remembers days his depression was so bad that he litterly doesn’t remember whole 24 hour time periods, in which he, drove, worked, walked. Etc.  The biggest thing that amazed me was the fact that the environment he has in was so thought controlling that according to his doctor, he has not mentally grown and matured past the point of a 20 year old. He made not free choices for 10 years. He was told how to dress how to walk, how to talk, he didn’t even make a choice on buying a car without consulting the pastor. As he said “The Church took away all your ability to make a decision.” He also in this time discovered without the church as the third person between him and his wife, after 10 years together, needed to start having a relationship together. And to their shock and amazement then now realize that they have nothing in common. They are currently “separated”. His wife has progressed to the state of an average 30 year old and this 10 year “mental gap” between the two of them has caused a lot of stress. 

I couldn’t help but notice A few things while talking to this fellow. #1 yes the ring was missing. #2 he looks 30 but it was honestly like talking to a 20 year old.  it was strange sitting in front of someone who is clearly 7 years my senior, but if you blindfolded me I would tell you he is 4 years younger. #3. During the time I was talking to him he stated multiple times that he is not sure if he believes in god anymore or in anything. Yet like two good punk rockers we got into some heavy discussion about topics everyone else avoids ex. Religion. I noticed at this point he immediately kicked back into his preaching stage and started explain to me all the heavy strict doctrine of his last church and how it is justified. Shocking coming from a guy that told me he didn’t believe in god not an hour earlier. I don’t judge him for it thou. I guess it just shows how deep in his system this church got. 

My last question was one that concerned me heavily.

How much danger am I in for publishing this interview? And how much danger faces the people left at this type of church?

He assured me that I was in no danger as a journalist, but I still felt the need to change his name anyhow, for his sake. However he told me that this church, also has two sister churches. One is harmless but there is one on the north end called, First United Pentecostal Church. This place is without a doubt, Dangerous. I made a point of Google mapping it. The singe in front of the church says “The BIBLE Pentecostal Church.” I would say don’t go near it but that might be kind of hard considering the huge fence they have around the place , and the warning singes on the road gate.  If there is one thing I have learned in my past 26 churches, it is fear the church with a tall fence. Cause chances are they are trying to keep something out, or worse, keep something in.  

"I urge caution to anyone that goes to any instatution that claims they speak for god."

-John.

 

Church #26 (Part 1) Grace Pentecostal Church. Aug 3rd 2014.

I wish I didn’t have to write this but here it goes. Every Sunday that I get up and pick a church at random, I pray that I will have a positive experience. I like to think that of the few bad churches I have been to that the worst is behind me. I wish that was the truth, because this ended up being scarier then what I am willing to believe. Here we go. 

I had walked by this church many times before and waited in front of it for the bus many times. The only thing that I though might be unusual about it was that it was in the basement of a business. First underground church I have ever seen. I got the service times confused and ended up arriving 15 min late. But it was no big deal in my eyes. There were only 12 people in the room.  There was a senior African-Canadian fellow leading the service (first time I’ve seen that). I immediately noticed that out of the 12, there were 5 young men in their early 20’s.  This was shocking. Young men in churches are extremely rare. You’re normally lucky to get 1 in a room of 100.  So this was baffling.  They also all sat in the first two pews on the left side of the church.  One young fellow looked noticeably interesting with his white pants white suspenders and two bandaged up fingers on his right hand ( he later told me that he crushed them in a minor workplace accident.)

I really felt there was no option to be anonymous in this church. This guy was watching you. Really watching you. So much so that he called me out when I accidentally picked up the wrong song book. (There was more than one here).

When I had come in they were in the middle of singing and I just simply joined them from the point that they were at.  After a few songs there was a quick break where the leader started speaking. He stated an interesting statistic that involved a survey of large group of people from around the world.  The question was “what is your greatest desire in life?” The results of this survey generated some interesting results including that 6% said “I want to own a bicycle”. Such a small thing. We were then all told to be thank-full and count our blessings. And then the singing continued.

The prayer was interesting here. There was more than one person praying at a time and yelling over each-other. The offering plate was passed around early, but just as I was digging in my purse to get my loony out, it went right past me. Ok it didn’t even go past me. They stopped at 2 of the 12 people in the room and then brought it up to speaker’s podium and left it there. Yes I got blown-off for the offering plate. Lame move guys.

This church was unique in the fact that it was just a heavy amount of preaching. The service was 2.5hours and 1.5-2h of it was just the church leader speaking. Ok speaking is an understatement; this guy uses vocal punch as if he throws baseballs for a living.

There is just a large list of quotes from here on out so I thought I would file them accordingly.

Good quotes.

“The only thing we have is what we give”

Senior lady stands up and tells a humorous story about her and her sisters falling asleep in church.

“Our footsteps and our path is directed by god-we need to stay close to god to help direct us-the lord is my shepherd.”

“Church is where we come to get our souls ready t meet god”.

“Sin does not rule a man”

“God will give us a new heart and remove our hearts of stone”

“We must life for god 24/7”

Amongst all this there was a point where the church leader called me out and asked me to stand up and introduce myself. I did so and also made appoint of telling him about my journalism and that toady they were church #26. The  pastor was thrown totally off guard and after taking a few min to collect himself looked at me and said “ well we hope you decide to make church #26 your home.” At the end of these 2 posts, you will look back on this quote and laugh. Guaranteed.

They also had this deep obsession of repenting and being baptized. I like I know it is important and all, but that seems to be the number one thing that is on the top of their list. I have never seen this attitude before. The pastor also made it clear that a repented man is a “new man” and must not carry forward any of the evil or ungodly characteristics that he had before.  That all addictions and bad habits must be purged in full.

During this service i felt something strange. I was ignored 50% of the time. Largely due to the fact that the pastor head was  turned to the right  and speaking specifically to the group of 5 young men at the front left side of the room. This is how the conversation went.

Pastor: “some people got out to the moves and put ungodly things before their eyes, but we don’t do that!”

Young Men: *nod and smile.

Pastor: “Some people go out to the bars of the weekends! But we don’t do that!”

Young Men: *nod and smile.

Pastor” when that girl calls you up and wants to hang out you tell her no! Cause we don’t do that!”

Young Men: *nod and smile.

This is the vibe I got from that.

 I was called out a third time in the service as he spent his 1.5-2hours preaching on people were flipping pages in there bibles every 5-10 min. This is not a church service that just focuses and breaks down one or two things this guy I am sure covered 10-15 topics.  I just eventually give up and sat there and wrote my notes. Then the point came where he addressed me and asked me to read the next line. I looked up and politely told him that I had fallen off track since I had been taking notes. Once again you could see on his face that I threw him a total curve ball. He went on preaching while one of the senior ladies ran over to me and helped me flip to the right page. Then I read the scripture quote and sat down.

I have encountered this “teacher style” of preaching the before but I am not even sure you could call it that. It was more like a bible rant from a prosecuting lawyer.

Harsh/Odd/Questionable quotes.

80% of church money is tax deductible. The tradition for having no-low tax on a church was started in ancient times.

“All must appear before judgment”

“Church cannot be a social venue.”

The pastor recalls having Elvis style sideburns when he first came to this church and how he progressively cut them off.

“I don’t want you to say amen! I want you to go home and do it!”

“the unrichous will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.”

“Fornicators, Idolaters, adulterers and the effeminate will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. “

“God says if you are effeminate you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.”

“Men lower your voices when you come to church!”

“Brother _____ does not wear sister _____ dress!!” 

“If you want to live long, keep gods commandments.”

 And my personal favorite.

“No matter what kind of Bow-tie, Shirt and Bubble bath you give a pig , it is still a Pig!” 

AWWWWWW!!!! SO CUTE!!!!!!

One thing that was mentioned at the beginning and end of all this was the issue of dating. The pastor made it quite clear that none of the young men in the church were allowed to date unless they bring these girls to church and they get approved thru him first.

At the end of these 2.5 hours I felt nothing less then what I must feel like to get punched in the gut. Regardless, I made a point of going to the front and introducing myself to the 5 young men in the room and I asked if it was ok if I could ask them some questions for my article. They agreed and we all sat down. As I asked my questions, everyone left except for one senior lady, the group of 5, and the preacher who walked in and out of the room and sat down at one point and watched me. But it was clear from the look on this guy’s face that he was right pissed off with me.

First I told them about my article and the finer details of what it was about, and then I started my questions.

First I mentioned that it is supper unusual to see this many young men in a church so small. I asked them why they picked this church. The reply was typical of that I have heard at other churches.  According to them it has god’s love, gives them strength, and preaches the true message.

Then I addressed the young fellow with 2 broken fingers and asked him why he started coming here. He told me that he was a very messed-up kid and that his father started bringing him to a Pentecostal church. He at one point moved to the city with his mother and then just found another nearby. There was a young fellow that raised his hand  and mad an extra comment, saying that if you don’t show up to church the pastor calls you up and checks on you and sees what’s going on. Despite the terrified  look on my face he assures me that it is a “good thing” and that the pastor is a “good Sheppard” I was also told that they feel like their relationships in the church have more meaning and value then ones outside of it.

The last question I had for them was a good one. I asked them what do they do for fun. (Considering they are restricted from doing EVERYTHING!)  And the one young fellow pipes on the end and says “we EAT!!!!”  And then the group laughs. But they did tell me that they want to do activities that “are not sinful and glorify god”  so apparently that includes go-carting, talent shows, karaoke, board games and they all apparently play in a band and jam together.

I went home after all this and tried to get some house work done. But I couldn’t.

I was thinking about what I saw today and as the minutes and hours when on it was bothering me to the point where I needed to do something. So a called up my good friend and pastor. I read off to him everything I saw and witnessed today. And then I pulled out the pamphlets they gave me. Then I mentioned this one.

He asked me to open it and read form it, at one point he stopped me and said “Alanna, you didn’t find a church, what you found was a cult!” 

Yep. That’s how I felt.

The crazier part is that he recommended talking to a friend of his that was deep into this cult and left! That interview was intense. Keep an eye open for the post!

Ps. apparently this place may be called Grace Pentecostal Church, but that is not what they stamped on the back of their pamphlets…

Weird hey?

Church #25 Trinity United Church. July 27th 2014.

Made a trip out to the west end this Sunday, and finally got to attend the church with a roof like a skateboard ramp :P.

Case and point.

I had a feeling this would be a good one. Especially when the church leader said that there are rhythm instruments at the front of the church for anyone that wants.  This church was composed of mostly seniors roughly 70 people, most of them women. 

The service started out in prayer.  Then it was asked if any of the children would like to come up and light the Christ candle. That was done by a very cute blond little 5 year old girl in a pink shirt (with some adult assistance.)

Today’s service addressed the issue of jealousy. The church leader made a shocking statement as he straight out said “we have a lot of jealousy in the church.” And then we went on to explain why. He pointed out the fact that people are often left thinking “some other people must have more faith then me.” Or they might be asking “why do I have less passion?” for when I confess my love to god, then the person beside me?

He brought up an interesting story. He once knew a senior lady named Florence. Florence had a lot of jealously. She was jealous of people’s ability to pray spontaneously.  As most people could stand up and make up a prayer right on the spot, Florence could simply not do it. She would have to go home and read prayers that other people had already written. Ironically, there was a flip side to the coin. There were actually many people in the church that were jealous of Florence because she was a strong reader and had read the bible 4 times with ease. To put this to an even larger perspective he also described how there is jealousy between entire “churches”. Examples of this would be thought like “why is that churches attendance keep growing while ours is not?” or “why can’t we hold fundraiser that are as successful as that other church?” He then brought up that we have to remember what we ourselves are successful in. The United Church is very effective in creating social justice. Cool stuff. He would also like to note (despite what some people may think.) the united church is not Pro-Palestine, however they are very pro-human rights. He encouraged the congregation to read deeper into the conflict and to be aware that the news is very one-sided at the moment.

There was a fair bit of singing in this church, but I found it difficult to sing along with any of the songs except one.

The scripture lesson today defiantly got my attention. Let me drop you a link to the story.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+29&version=ESV

Quick version is that there is this guy named Jacob. Jacobs’s life isn’t that great. He is a twin. He was born mere seconds after his older brother, which would not be such a big deal, except for the fact that because he was not first born he got nothing. No inheritance, no land, and never mind the fact that his older brother was the pinical of manliness and success (Jacob was a scrawny wimp). So in short he got the shit end of the stick.  Jacob was not interested in looking for a wife at the time, but family pressures forced him out into the world to go and find a lady to wed.  In his travel he finds a lady named Rachel. Falls madly in love with her, and makes a deal with her father to have her hand in marriage in exchange for 7 years of labor. So he goes to work 7-year go by, and then there is a great party, and on their wedding night, the father sends Leigh (Rachel’s older and uglier sister.) Into bed with him and he doesn’t realize that it is the wrong woman until the next morning. He comes out in rage and goes to her father demanding an explanation. He father says that it is not in there custom to marry a younger daughter before the older, and that is he wants Rachel he will have to work ANOTHER 7 YEARS. (poor guy) and so he  slaves away for another 7 years and finally gets to marry  Rachel.  *insert happy ending here

Ok, not really.  They didn’t bring this up in church but Jacob continued to favor Rachel in their marriage.  So god decided to bless Leigh with the ability to have children and Rachel was barren.

Rough.

Then the crazier part of all this is that he got the 4 children in the church to come up to the front and act out the story (to a certain degree). I was deeply comical, epically when looked at the little 6 year old girl and told her “you get to be Leigh and Rachel’s dad! Ok, cross your arms arm’s and look like a grumpy old man!”.  There were defiantly some golden moments. So at the end of all this he sits the children down and gets them to think about how all the different charters feel. The message he left them with the message that sometimes we have to wait a very long time for things we want. And even thou it is difficult; sometimes you just need to be patient. It is clear that this man has a great love of children.

One very interesting thing I noticed about this Fellow leading the church service was the fact that he was clearly gay. In the best possible way.

I had some big questions for him and I was not sure if he was willing to be open with me, but thankfully he was .  I was surprised to find out from the granny sitting next to me that he was not a regular full time Minister there and was just sub-ing in half the time until they have a full time person put in. Another shocking fact that I discovered was that he was not trained for the United Church (which is known for its acceptance of the gay community.) The church he was training for was the Presbyterian. At the moment he told me that my face must have gone white. Let’s just say that I am still recovering from what I saw at the last Presbyterian Church I went to. Living nightmare. I brought this up with him and he recommended that I seek out “First Presbyterian church’s”. And that they are apparently “much better”. 

He told me that his story began with him down east living in Ontario and going into seminary. At that time his life’s plan was to devote himself to god and push-away his homosexual feeling and be abstinent for the rest of his life. Surprisingly enough it was in his first year of studies that his teachers encouraged him to come to terms with his feelings. He look a few years to find peace with himself, he came out to his parents (who quickly disowned him), met his boyfriend, fell in love, moved out to Alberta and never looked back. Like Jacob I am sure he is darn happy to have left his home town.

I asked how dose one survive being a gay Minister in a branch of the church that does not accept homosexuals. His response to that is that they run on a “don’t know, don’t tell” policy. He mentioned that his partner had come to church with him many times before and everyone knew who he was he just was not allowed to introduce him as “my partner”.

I asked him if he had encountered any clear acts of discrimination against him since he started his time in the church? He sighted one particular instance that did occur. He made the personal decision to be a sperm donor for a lesbian couple in Saint Albert.  And he told the church this. There were people that did leave and never come back. Surprisingly the ones that left were young families and the ones that were compassionate towards him were the seniors. Personally I would have thought it was the other way around. I only had one other question for him, and that had to do with this piece of stain glass. 

Look Closer....

Windmill. Just a little one tucked away in the corner. I asked him what it was doing there, he honestly answered by saying he had no idea why it was there. We came closer to it and noticed that the stain glass panel was done in memory of 2 people with Dutch last names. Possible explanation? Ya, sure why not… LOL. 

Funny side note* you know that horrific Presbyterian that I attended at the start of this experiment? Word on the grapevine is that’s it is shutting down. I hope the few people there can move on and find a better place. ( ok lets be real, almost anywhere is better than there.)

Peace out people. *pop!